regardless of my opinion on the film, i think it's really brave of celine to fully reject the way her art was being absorbed into the culture. can't help but feel like a lot of the backlash was irritation for her refusal to play the game and give a funny answer to the funny question.
it's like people turned their brain off and are now mad for having been caught in the act. "it's YOUR fault for not letting us know your movie was supposed to MEAN something"
like...the movie is a movie: it's not that deep. but shooting down her rejection of "business" and expectations (especially of women, "rom com," Asian women, etc.), that critical thinking about the world can't exist despite a creation being 100% perfect, is so absurd. it's very "it's sports, not politics" which is one of the most head empty things of "these times" and really reveals how someone values/devalues creatives, artists, entertainers, etc.
this also crashes into the conversation about the silly Sabrina Carpenter cover from a few weeks back: yelling at someone coming at problems from a similar angle, versus yelling at the problem itself. alas. such is required of the internet factory!
Because somebody needed to 👏 say 👏 it 👏 I remember when telvision actually depxitced working-class realities. It was the norm. But I think reality tv changed something. I guess poorness is boring?? lol
The Jeffersons? Married With Children?? Bob’s Burgers??? they feel “dates” now, like being poor was “in the past” which is to say: you’re dead on. all ironic, as having everything is boring but we’ve taken our capitalism pills properly and think the opposite!!!!! ugh
Cant tell you how much i appreciate you diving into the celine song discourse and deeply identify with much of what you said. The reactions have been illuminating. Working in marketing i also find this to be a borderline taboo topic to acknowledge financial hardship in the market especially as it ebbs and flows against the backdrop of everything else happening. Thank you for saying the thing others seem to not want to!
thank you grace!! and proud to say it!!! i...feel crazy sometimes, that the last thing we should be concerned with is "broke man propaganda" when that is in fact proof of rich people propaganda 😭 anyway. raising them voices in the spaces you can!!!!!!
elite callback!! and...hopefully people can "get it" at some point, although i feel like the subject of such economic issues comes back around the merry-go-round multiple times a year with the same results. alas!
A friend of mine brought up a really interesting point that it's because of people like Harry in private equity that people like John and Lucy struggle financially. Obviously, it's not a one-to-one correlation, but it definitely resonates with what you're saying here. I personally really enjoyed the movie, but the backlash has been insane
loved your comments on Materialists, I saw it in theaters and am a 34 year old single woman living in NYC.
I'm happy that Song is responding to the backlash because my interpretation is that the film was trolling the audience - if you reacted negatively her point was proven. As I left the Regal Delancey Essex everyone complained but I think every one of those complaints was exactly what Song was trying to expose. Which made it a smarter, more dimensional film.
this is an INCREDIBLE point and you’re onto something as…it really is a bit of a Rorschach test for that exact reason!! and to that: it may not have been the most haha of romcoms but it really did feel like what 2025’s romcom would be, a la: more serious and thoughtful, taking circumstances more seriously because it takes its audience seriously. all to say: Song really did go above and beyond to not only prove the point but illustrate her genius as a result. truly iconic!!
This weekend, I hung out with a trans man and trans woman who recently got engaged. I asked if there was a date yet, and they said no, they're basking... and waiting to see if the government makes it illegal, "then we'll get married the next day." I felt such a despair of deja vu. They're a decade younger than me, they were only 15ish in 2013 for US vs Windsor, where I was 25. They don't even know what a Matthew Shepard March is; they probably don't recognize the name. But everything old is new again. They unintentionally word-for-word repeated a sentiment I heard so many times when the states were first passing marriage laws. And I don't have any hope it won't be repealed. I wonder if "day of silence" will come back.
this literally sent a chill up my spine, ren. this is...heartbreaking, for obvious reasons, and also just such a damn tragedy of having to repeat history of fighting for things that "were solved" for a new generation. just rotten. and you may be exactly right: days of silence — but will people "do that"? or is it now just posting black squares, etc.? i hope we don't have to find out!!!
Not the black squares… you’re right, though, activism as a skill has been completely (deliberately!) eroded. My high school’s day of silence was organized by the GSA, I wonder what they do now for activism…
regardless of my opinion on the film, i think it's really brave of celine to fully reject the way her art was being absorbed into the culture. can't help but feel like a lot of the backlash was irritation for her refusal to play the game and give a funny answer to the funny question.
it's like people turned their brain off and are now mad for having been caught in the act. "it's YOUR fault for not letting us know your movie was supposed to MEAN something"
this is EXACTLY it omg thank you!!!!
like...the movie is a movie: it's not that deep. but shooting down her rejection of "business" and expectations (especially of women, "rom com," Asian women, etc.), that critical thinking about the world can't exist despite a creation being 100% perfect, is so absurd. it's very "it's sports, not politics" which is one of the most head empty things of "these times" and really reveals how someone values/devalues creatives, artists, entertainers, etc.
this also crashes into the conversation about the silly Sabrina Carpenter cover from a few weeks back: yelling at someone coming at problems from a similar angle, versus yelling at the problem itself. alas. such is required of the internet factory!
The Poverty Industrial Complex is so real and rarely talked about. Keeping people poor is big business.
100000000%!!!!!! ugh it makes me SO MAD
Because somebody needed to 👏 say 👏 it 👏 I remember when telvision actually depxitced working-class realities. It was the norm. But I think reality tv changed something. I guess poorness is boring?? lol
The Jeffersons? Married With Children?? Bob’s Burgers??? they feel “dates” now, like being poor was “in the past” which is to say: you’re dead on. all ironic, as having everything is boring but we’ve taken our capitalism pills properly and think the opposite!!!!! ugh
This this this
Cant tell you how much i appreciate you diving into the celine song discourse and deeply identify with much of what you said. The reactions have been illuminating. Working in marketing i also find this to be a borderline taboo topic to acknowledge financial hardship in the market especially as it ebbs and flows against the backdrop of everything else happening. Thank you for saying the thing others seem to not want to!
thank you grace!! and proud to say it!!! i...feel crazy sometimes, that the last thing we should be concerned with is "broke man propaganda" when that is in fact proof of rich people propaganda 😭 anyway. raising them voices in the spaces you can!!!!!!
Class does shadow your life. Reminds me of Eliot's "Falls The Shadow" in The Hollow Men.
elite callback!! and...hopefully people can "get it" at some point, although i feel like the subject of such economic issues comes back around the merry-go-round multiple times a year with the same results. alas!
Love "elite callback!!" lolol
A friend of mine brought up a really interesting point that it's because of people like Harry in private equity that people like John and Lucy struggle financially. Obviously, it's not a one-to-one correlation, but it definitely resonates with what you're saying here. I personally really enjoyed the movie, but the backlash has been insane
yes and yes!! thank you!! and the backlash is....y'all. be serious!!
loved your comments on Materialists, I saw it in theaters and am a 34 year old single woman living in NYC.
I'm happy that Song is responding to the backlash because my interpretation is that the film was trolling the audience - if you reacted negatively her point was proven. As I left the Regal Delancey Essex everyone complained but I think every one of those complaints was exactly what Song was trying to expose. Which made it a smarter, more dimensional film.
this is an INCREDIBLE point and you’re onto something as…it really is a bit of a Rorschach test for that exact reason!! and to that: it may not have been the most haha of romcoms but it really did feel like what 2025’s romcom would be, a la: more serious and thoughtful, taking circumstances more seriously because it takes its audience seriously. all to say: Song really did go above and beyond to not only prove the point but illustrate her genius as a result. truly iconic!!
Preach!
This weekend, I hung out with a trans man and trans woman who recently got engaged. I asked if there was a date yet, and they said no, they're basking... and waiting to see if the government makes it illegal, "then we'll get married the next day." I felt such a despair of deja vu. They're a decade younger than me, they were only 15ish in 2013 for US vs Windsor, where I was 25. They don't even know what a Matthew Shepard March is; they probably don't recognize the name. But everything old is new again. They unintentionally word-for-word repeated a sentiment I heard so many times when the states were first passing marriage laws. And I don't have any hope it won't be repealed. I wonder if "day of silence" will come back.
this literally sent a chill up my spine, ren. this is...heartbreaking, for obvious reasons, and also just such a damn tragedy of having to repeat history of fighting for things that "were solved" for a new generation. just rotten. and you may be exactly right: days of silence — but will people "do that"? or is it now just posting black squares, etc.? i hope we don't have to find out!!!
Not the black squares… you’re right, though, activism as a skill has been completely (deliberately!) eroded. My high school’s day of silence was organized by the GSA, I wonder what they do now for activism…
very good question and i am sure some GSAs are fighting like hell but…oy
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